Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told New York Magazine reporter Olivia Nuzzi in an interview published Monday that he was more Jewish than billionaire George Soros—who lost family in the Holocaust—and that Soros was a “horrible human being.”

“Don’t tell me I’m anti-Semitic if I oppose him,” Giuliani said. “Soros is hardly a Jew. I’m more of a Jew than Soros is.”

Giuliani, currently the personal attorney of President Donald Trump, made the comments during an afternoon with Nuzzi on Sunday, December 8. The pair drove around New York City, stopping at the Mark Hotel on the Upper East Side for Bloody Marys, and discussed a number of issues including the former mayor’s business dealings in Ukraine, which are under investigation. 

“If they think I committed a crime, they’re out of their minds,” said Giuliani. “I’ve been doing this for 50 years. I know how not to commit crimes.”

It was the topic of Soros, however, that got the mayor talking. 

According to Nuzzi: